So forgiveness pre-requires understanding the mistakes of the past? here hear re this opposing this me-first, America-first, white-first, male-first approach>…
Lesson 2: What are Ethics?
•
•
comments

Comments
3 responses to “Lesson 2: What are Ethics?”
-
A stroy somewhat similar to the three shepherds occured during the resue attempt for American Embasssy hostages held in the Iran in early 1970s. One of the resue helicopters was forced down I think by a sand storm. At this point a bus with Iranians passed by on the road. The Americans shot at the tires of the bus, but this did not stop it. I believe the Americans were told to limit civilian casualties in every way possible. In my opinion the Israelies, in a similar situation, would have destroyed the bus. If you go to war, it is hard to have it be a half-way proposition.
In the example of the three shepherds, an unknown, but important, factor is the probability that the manuever will be compromised by not killing the three — one in two, one in ten, one in a hundred? Also whenever civilains are killed, it undermines the military goal of obtaining their cooperation in the war against the Taliban. Of course you can take the view that in war it is all or nothing at all — kill anyone who might cause harm to your troops. It turned out that the view taken in this case by the guy in charge may have ultimately led to more deaths than the killing of the three, but that does not mean it was “wrong.” We cannot know the future. We act predicting the future as best we can, but sometimes, even though are acts are reasonable, the future does not play out as we guessed it would.
A very seminal philosophical book in this area is “A Theory of Justice” by John Rawls, but it is more philosophicaly technical than the book we are reading.
-
I did not receive this weeks’s discussion, but I asked my brother to forward his, which he has done.
l. Was there absolutely no other choice, other than killing, or letting the shepherds go? Could they have been securely tied up?
2. I think the Christian is responsible for the others’ deaths because his decision led to those deaths. To what extent was he aware that these deaths might occur? He is in a dangerous war zone; would he have anticipated the consequences of that decision.? Are there degrees of responsibility?
3. When does a war-time mission take precedence over saving lives?
4. His response/answer to the deaths of (number?) so many seems flippant, casual, somewhat cold, as if he’s disappointed that he bought a Cadillac rather than a Honda.
-
Our ethical treatment of big and large “choices in our life” are grounded in our faith if we are a believer.
In a study on the monotheistic faiths (Islam, Judaism, Christianity) we settled on one word for each as being the driver or foundation or virtue that summed up human behavior towards others – Justice, Law and Love respectively.The article calls out the 3 ethical (theological) virtues or gifts from God – faith, hope and love – A Christian bias in my opinion of the author (or perhaps an American bias living in a Judeo – Christian country)
I feel comfortable swapping out these virtues for obedience, destiny(mission) and justice as virtues/drivers/foundations for action for the two other monotheistic faiths.The four cardinal virtues: courage, fortitude, temperance, and justice are necessary for civil/political/patriotic or perhaps nation building. The fact that Islam encourages faith and governance to be one as opposed to the USA constitutional separation of church and state has large ramifications in the way we act upon ethics “rich” situations in a global society.
And the Shepherds, soldiers and taliban – perhaps the cost of discipleship — Very Harsh… thus we need dialogue and understanding without evangelism and ethical common ground — is that even possible or desirable ? Should we bring back the Crusades; How about Jihad.???
Leave a Reply
Recent Comments
An extremely timely topic. Thanks, Fritz!
yes we need to forgive our leaders yet make sure they do the right thing – which they aren’t.
More posts
-

Lesson 1: The Reading Groups
Read more: Lesson 1: The Reading GroupsMany years ago my daughter and son-in-law asked me to lead a reading group for a few high school students. Before long it became apparent many more were interested in discussing their faith seriously. At…
-

Lesson 2: Speaking For God
Read more: Lesson 2: Speaking For GodAll three of our youth groups are very troubled with those claiming to speak for God when uttering hate messages. Twice during the last year the High School Reading Group wanted to talk about Westboro…
-

Lesson 3: Ben Laden’s Assasination
Read more: Lesson 3: Ben Laden’s AssasinationBob is quite right when he warns that our response to the actions of those we oppose too often plays into their hands. You see this in many of our reactions to 9/11. All three…
