So forgiveness pre-requires understanding the mistakes of the past? here hear re this opposing this me-first, America-first, white-first, male-first approach>…
Lesson 4: Baptism as Community
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Wow. “he called my kind of ministry sacramental in the sense that I felt I had to care for those I baptized. He said he felt no responsibility except to bring people to a decision for Christ. He knew that many would soon abandon their promises, but that was their problem– not his.” That just strikes me as so wrong on so many levels. Seems to fly in the face of everything I understand about Jesus and the Gospel message of love. Jesus didn’t ask us to save anyone (or to lead people to Him and then say ‘sayonara’) – he asked us to love one another and learn to live together in community. And that brings me to the other part of this lesson that really did resonate: “Perhaps if we recognize the church is a community rather than an institution, we might begin regaining her counter cultural nature.” I’m currently reading “The Irresistible Revolution” by Shane Claiborne and one of the things he stresses over and over is how the church should not be an institution, but a community of passionate lovers of Christ and that it isn’t about letting folks in but taking God out into the world and connecting with people where they are. Amen to that.
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From my view if one looks at what Jesus DID (rather than what he WAS – divine bla bla) he did practical inclusive radical stuff that challenged so much of the status quo in those days. He gave us the kingdom as community and we got the church as institution that is close to a betrayal in my view so for my mind Anne above is SPOT on – somehow we have to rescue our church as kingdom from the church as institution. ciao paul
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In my old green Lutheran Book of Worship most obligations seem to be put on the sponsors/parents with the exception of the congregation welcoming them into the Lords family.
However I have memories of times during baptisms where I felt the congregation was put a bit more on the hook to support this new member of the church, and thinking about how I didn’t feel I and the congregation I was then at managed that so well.
I suppose it is a tricky thing to foster community and connection, and difficult to be helpful and supportive without first having that relationship. But I think even if socially it’s getting trickier to manage all that, it’s also becoming more important.
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Derek brings up an issue largely ignored in the modern Church. Technology has affected every traditional practice, including baptism. Previously, the obligations of the parish and godparents could be taken for granted, because they all live nearby. There are ways to adjust to our present mobility, such as keeping contact with anyone baptized in your congregation and informing the parish to which they do have membership. If they do not belong anywhere, you could inform a next church. However, that’s seldom done. Perhaps we should have a series on technology and the church. It is my specialty, and Paul has written about it.
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An extremely timely topic. Thanks, Fritz!
yes we need to forgive our leaders yet make sure they do the right thing – which they aren’t.
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